Sunday, April 20, 2014

Notes from Capital in the 21st Century Panel

by Suresh Naidu

While I have a long piece on Piketty's book coming out in Jacobin, I was lucky enough to be a discussant on a panel with Thomas last Thursday, where I got a chance to lay out some second-order reactions to the book as well as talk with him a bit. Here are my notes from that, tidied up a bit and including some things I didn’t get to say.

Perhaps a useful analogy is that this is the "Free to Choose" or “Capitalism and Freedom” for our time, from the left. I can’t think of a book that emerged from economics for a mass audience with as much reception since then. And what good news this is for economics! For 50 years Milton Friedman was the public face of partisan economics, and stamped it with a conservative public face that persisted. Maybe now Piketty’s book will give my discipline another public face.

But let me push back against the book a bit. I think there is a "domesticated" version of the argument that economists and people that love economists will take away. Then there is a less domesticated one, one that is more challenging to economics as it is currently done. I'm curious which one Thomas believes more. I worry that the impact of the book will be blunted because it becomes a “Bastard Piketty-ism” and allows macroeconomics to continue in its modelling conventions, which are particularly ill-suited to questions of inequality.

The domesticated version is a story about technology and the world market making capital and labor more and more substitutable over time, and this is why r does not fall very much as wealth accumulates. It is fundamentally a story about market forces, technology and trade making the demand for capital extremely elastic. We continue to understand r as the marginal contribution of capital to the production of the economy. I think this is story that is told to academic economists, and it is plausible, at least on the surface. 

There is another story about this, one that goes back to Keynes. And the idea here is that the rate of return on capital is set much more by institutions, norms and expectations than by supply and demand of the capital market. Keynes writes that "But the most stable, and the least easily shifted, element in our contemporary economy has been hitherto, and may prove to be in future, the minimum rate of interest acceptable to the generality of wealth-owners." Keynes footnotes it with the 19th century saying that “John Bull can stand many things, but he cannot stand 2 percent.”

The book doesn't quite take a stand on whether it is brute market forces and a production function with a high elasticity of substitution or instead relatively rigid organization of firms and financial institutions that lies behind the stability of r.  

I think the production approach is less plausible, partly because housing plays such a large role in the data, partly because average wages would have increased along with K/Y, partly because the required elasticity of substitution is too big for net quantities, and partly because of the differences between book and market capital. The (really great) sections from the book on corporate governance actually suggest something quite different, that there is a gap between cash-flow rights and control rights, and this is why Germany has lower market relative to book values. This political dimension of capital, the difference between the valuation written down in the balance sheet and the real power to dispose of the asset, is something that the institutional view of capital can capture better than the marginal product view. This is, I think, also a fruitful interpretation of what was at stake behind the old capital controversies.

The policy stakes from this are also potentially large, because if it is just a very high substitutability, a variety of labor market reforms are taken off the table, as firms just replace workers with machines if you try to raise the wage.

Second, what is gained by producing long-run data? Why do economic historians do what we do? And why is it important that the series go before 1960? Part of the answer is that we discipline the modelling with useful analogies to a past. History gives us a library of options for understanding the present.  So if the wealth or income share looks like 1890 or 1913, maybe our social structure is also starting to look like 1890 or 1913. And the book uses literature to make some of those analogies vivid.  For example maybe our marriage patterns will start to look like those in the literature of the period.

But let us look at other dimensions of that time. The Gilded Age U.S. North was riven with labor conflict and the South was an apartheid state. U.S. military forces were deployed on U.S. territory more times in the late 19th century than any other period, solely for breaking up strikes and repressing labor conflict.And this points us towards one of the costs of inequality, which is a large amount of social conflict. But note that this doesn’t have to be actually observed to be costly. You could have a peaceful high inequality society by spending a lot on security guards and gated enclaves (or hired economists to tell people it is all efficient and for the best), but that is still costly, in that social resources are getting unnecessarily spent to repress, persuade, and manage social conflict. We see the same thing in unequal societies like India, South Africa or the gulf countries.

There is a place where the analogy breaks down, however. We live in a world where much more of everyday life occurs on markets, large swaths of extended family and government services have disintegrated, and we are procuring much more of everything on markets. And this is particularly bad in the US. From health care to schooling to philanthropy to politicians, we have put up everything for sale. Inequality in this world is potentially much more menacing than inequality in a less commodified world, simply because money buys so much more. This nasty complementarity of market society and income inequality maybe means that the social power of rich people is higher today than in the 1920s, and one response to increasing inequality of market income is to take more things off the market and allocate them by other means.

Finally, let me suggest that if we're aiming for politically hopeless ideas, open migration is as least as good as the global wealth tax in the short run, and perhaps complementary. One weakness of the book is its focus on the large core economies (the data obviously is better and the wealth is obviously larger). But liberalizing immigration, while not solving the ultimate problem the book diagnoses, can go some of the way by raising growth of both income and population. With political rights and liberties, it is also one thing that could set off a new set of progressive political energies. These restless and young populations of the developing world might catalyze a new set of political energies, just as socialist movements of the Gilded Age were powered by immigrant workers.

Another constituency for the global wealth tax could also be from this same group, demanding reparations for past slavery and colonialism. If those primordial injustices created the initial conditions for the accumulation of wealth in the core, perhaps those legacies can build energy for rectifying them in the future.


  1. I'm really taken aback that you have a positive view of the Open Borders idea. I'd like to see open borders after inequalities between countries have been ameliorated but I think the idea that inequality can be reduced by opening borders whilst at the same time having our current international trade and capital flow arrangements is a recipe for disaster. I've had a go posting about that conundrum:

    1. Right. Look at all the billionaires who push for more immigration: Rupert Murdoch, Mark Zuckerberg, Carlos Slim, Michael Bloomberg, Bill Gates, etc. Maybe they are wrong about what's in their financial interests, but I kind of doubt it ...

    2. Just for the record, this blog has a liberal comments policy and only deletes obvious spam.

    3. The Koch Brothers are also pro-mass immigration:

      Can anybody name a single member of the Forbes 400 who publicly lobbies for tighter immigration controls?

  2. Following up on your contrast between the domesticated and the institutionalist reception of Piketty and your analogy of the Gilded Age, have a look at Randolph Bourne's 1916 New Republic piece, "What is Exploitation?"

  3. A Marxist review of Piketty's book is at

  4. While I'm pro open borders (I don't understand why someone should have different rights or hopes just because he/she was born in a different place), I'm not sure that increased immigration would have similar redistributional effects as a wealth tax (In fact most popular opposition to immigrants come from people who believe the opposite).
    While fears of "they will steal our jobs" are likely overblown (and based on an assumption of limited demand for jobs, which is in itself based on a certain economic situation of inequality), I think that the opposite too is unlikely.
    Could you explain why, say, if Chinese workers who are paid very few in China can migrate to the USA in search of better jobs, this would reduce profits?

    RE: reparations for colonialism.
    The article you link to says that the moral case is hard to dismiss. But in fact it isn't so: moral judgements are based on strictly personal responsibilities in modern mentality, so that for example I couldn't be punished for something that my father or grandfather commited. Stuff like the biblical "you will be punished until the 7th generation" strikes us as unjust, usually.
    So I would be very surprised if someone held me responsible for what the Mussolini government did, even if my grandfather was in the Italian military navy at the time.
    The term "reparations" is very antagonizing, as it basically says: "you are culpable because you were born in a rich nation", and this is more than a bit unjust.
    It is true that, if you are born in a poor nation, you have very big disadvantages, but this could be addressed as a problem of "inequality" rather than "reparations", even if/when the hoped for result is more or less the same.
    I do not think "reparations" would be a good selling slogan, unless you think you can have some high level court that actually says something like: "Ok, you Italians were bad in Lybia in the 30s, very bad. You owe exactly 10000€ each to the Lybians (or 5% of GDP for X years or something like it)". But I don't see any institution with such legitimacy, and this would be very problematic for actions in the world of today (do people in the USA owe something to the Iraquis? How much? Do only pro-war guys owe something, or also anti-war guys do?).

    1. I should add that I'm not against open borders, neither against a "reparations" approach in principle. I just ask for a more detailed explanation about:

      A) How can open borders have redistributive effects between capital and labor (and not just between "privileged" and "underprivileged" labor, even if this kind of redistribution is good on its own merit);

      B) Why do you think that a rethorically aggressive approach to world imbalances has better prospects than older, less confrontational approaches.

  5. I found a way to live above my financial challenges after loosing my job with no hope of providing for my family. With Christmas approaching and still no hope i decided to go online in search for a job and i found posts about and how they help provide blank atm card in less than 3 days and capable of making cash withdrawal up to $70,000 monthly. At first it sounded like a scam to me cos i saw some other reviews talking about how they lost money to some companies i just decided to give this a try as i was already down and out and i made all necessary payments and verily verily i got my card delivered at the exact date and its effectiveness was not short of what i was told its been 3 weeks of blissful usage and i decided to tell the world about this awesome experience. You can contact this company to get yours via

  6. Get a Loan Today At 3% Interest Rate, contact us

    Welcome to STELLA MORRIS LOAN FIRM, This is a legit loan Company, formed to help individuals who are in need of financial crises and help them achieve their goals in life.

    Available Loans we offer are,

    1. Personal Loans (Secure and Unsecured)
    2. Business Loans (Secure and Unsecured)
    3. Combination Loan
    4. Consolidation Loan And Many More:

    Interested clients should please send request to our email for application form and terms. Try and see for your self, our wonderful services that does not exceed working days for loan processing and just only (1)hour 35 minutes of loan Transfer.

    EMAIL---[ ]

    Warm Regards

  7. Hello Everybody,
    My name is Mrs Sharon Sim. I live in Singapore and i am a happy woman today? and i told my self that any lender that rescue my family from our poor situation, i will refer any person that is looking for loan to him, he gave me happiness to me and my family, i was in need of a loan of S$250,000.00 to start my life all over as i am a single mother with 3 kids I met this honest and GOD fearing man loan lender that help me with a loan of S$250,000.00 SG. Dollar, he is a GOD fearing man, if you are in need of loan and you will pay back the loan please contact him tell him that is Mrs Sharon, that refer you to him. contact Dr Purva Pius,via email:( Thank you.


    1. Name Of Applicant in Full:……..
    2. Telephone Numbers:……….
    3. Address and Location:…….
    4. Amount in request………..
    5. Repayment Period:………..
    6. Purpose Of Loan………….
    7. country…………………
    8. phone…………………..
    9. occupation………………
    11.Monthly Income…………..

    Email Kindly Contact:

    We sell physical loaded ATM cards . It is a croned card that can be used to withdraw Cash at any ATM Machine. This Cards comes in Visa/MasterCard. Therefore it works at any ATM Machine that accept Visa/masterCard
    Worldwide. CAN I USE THIS READY MADE ATM CARD TO BUY STUFF IN STORES? OR ONLINE SHOPPING? PAY BILLS? Yes, with this physical ATM card, you can use it to pay stuff at stores through POS. With this ATM card information, you can use it online to pay bills or do online shopping. When you order for this card, Full information about the card will be given to you. We also reload your card when funds is exhausted.
    DO I NEED TO ORDER NEW CARD EVERY TIME WHEN THE FUNDS HAS FINISHED? No, if you have already ordered our card, there is no need to keep ordering new cards, Just contact us for a reload. We shall easily reload the ATM card already in your possession. contact us on}}